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(Oct 17, 2009 at 21:35)
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Talk about late to the party Variiis, I posted that 3 years ago. And do the math: he was on a winning time, he had already won qualis, and even if he made a big mistake and tied his worst finish of the year he probably still would've had the most points in the end. It's not all about winning, it's about who's the best. He was the best that year, and no nail can take that away from him.
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There's no such thing as bad luck but a meteorite would be bad luck?
You could say that had he not been going so fast he wouldn't have fallen whether or not it was within his abilities, that's why there's no denying that. Clearly we disagree, but I'm trying to be diplomatic. If you'd like to take this any further you'd have to ask Sam whether or not he thinks he should've been able to take that corner at that speed. |
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I don't think so, because he didn't slide out both ends at once and he wasn't even close to going off course on the outside. He just swung the back end out at the start, then evened it out, then couldn't bring the bike back into a drift again and the front end went off on a tangent. It just really seems to me that the turn was well within his abilities and it was just bad luck that he made a stupid little mistake on that particular part of the track on his final run. Only Sam could say for sure though.
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I disagree with that. They were all on runs that were well within their abilities. Sam was quoted saying he crashed on the easiest part of the track, Greg has won at Fort Bill before and since the crash with larger margins than that, and of course the flat tire incidents were not because of rider error (Greg's rim was scarred by a nail in Brazil on a winning run after winning qualis and he still barely lost the overall to Steve). I only used examples I felt were genuinely unfortunate, as opposed to just overly greedy or sloppy. We all know Sam is fastest in Schladming, but I wouldn't call him the winner of the day last year 'cause he tried for a margin again and made a lot of mistakes. He deserved what he got.
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And Gee won worlds in '08. What I mean is we know who REALLY won all those races. Greg dislocated/broke his shoulder and still managed 4th in '07 (Sam picked up the win) and flatted in Brazil in '06 (Steve picked up the overall), Josh flatted in '07 (Ruaridh picked up the win) and Blinky went OTB in '06 (Cole picked up the win), Steve spun out on the second last corner (Fabien picked up the win) and Anne crashed badly in practice in '04 (Quinn picked up the win), and Nico flatted in '00 (Myles picked up the win). Just like Sam pushed his front wheel in '08 and Gee picked up the win. That's racing, but if you look into it you'll see who the real winners of the day were.
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Well, I wouldn't say the majority of times. As you said, he's currently the world's best technical downhill rider, so it just depends whether the majority of courses are technical or otherwise. Last year the majority of courses rewarded more fitness and maintaining momentum, so the majority of times Greg was best.
That said, we all know Sam won worlds. Just as Greg won worlds '07 and the cup in '06, Josh won junior worlds '07 and Blinky '06, Steve and Anne won worlds '04, and Nico won worlds '00. And to all the fair weather Gee fans: picking up this scrap was the highlight of Gee's career, I doubt he'll ever win the cup or do it again. Just like Myles Rockwell. |
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4:20? That explains why Lopes had those cornrows a while back.
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*Supercan. Indian Air's with the seatgrab.
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That's not Anson's bike. His was yellow, and he was letting people try it out, so he must've been holding onto this guy's bike in the meantime. He did have a v-brake on his bike too though, but don't worry, he doesn't use it for manuals or anything.
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/AlexSalikan/BrooklynBankssummer08047-1.jpg http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/AlexSalikan/BrooklynBankssummer08096.jpg He wasn't riding at the time though anyway, still recovering from a torn ACL (hence the name of his bike, the Anson City Live). |
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http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/AlexSalikan/BrooklynBankssummer08109.jpg
I like mine better. Good shot of what is now my bike! |
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Hahah, this was nuts. He landed so hard right there a few feet in front of me (white shirt black shorts), surprised the hell outta me, but as you can see I didn't have the camera ready. Glad to see someone got it!
On the plus side, I just bought that bike off him and it arrived in the mail today! |
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Hahah it's really just a 55kph pedalkick.
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Honest question, does anyone else hate this trick with a passion? Doesn't help that Andreu Lacondeguy made them popular, but all I see is a properly extended nfc done by someone who doesn't have the coordination/motor skills to get both legs out at the same time (see Grant Allen). That or a classic John Cowan Indian Air with no seatgrab and Downs syndrome. Nothing against the picture or the rider, just thought it was a propos.
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Right on, thanks for the pointer. I think I'll stick with it for now though, I haven't had any problems with catching on stuff, and I'd be worried about kinking between the lever and the headtube since it's such a sharp bend.
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I adjusted it so it doesn't stick way out like that anymore, but the reason for all the length is of course barspins. Granted you could route it through the headtube, but that wears it down quicker, and since they're hydraulic hoses, not cables, they cost more to replace. They just came that long anyway, so it's not like I had to go way out of my way.
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Used is half price, and it cost a lot more than $2500 to build.
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Reminds me of Fabien Barel, he never looks like he has enough weight over the front wheel and yet it never seems to push.
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Hahahah, a bit harsh, but that's histerical.
A nutless monkey might also punctuate and abbreviate better though. |
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On your Norco Manik 16"? No age mentioned, no pictures added? Who are you kidding? Somehow I think you're just another Pinkbike grom who has to say something, Dirtjumperwes. And I said slammed seats are only good for sitting on (the keyword is "slammed"), and only when you're not pedalling. Otherwise if you're a tall guy like me your knees are up your nose and you can't turn the bars. As for when you sit riding street, try taking your seat right off and doing a mellow 10k loop around all the usual downtown street spots. Once you've sat down on the your clamp a few times by accident you'll realize how often you have to get off the bike and sit on the ground or a bench or something instead. Add some distance, hills or speed to that ride and you'll wish that seat you don't have was at least at knee height.
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Right on. Your bike looks pretty good with the seat where it is, I don't know why people would comment. You'll never see a DH bike with a slammed seat, that would look rediculous, so I don't know who decided slammed seats on street bikes didn't.
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I like it. The drift looks pretty average (and of course there's no way of telling how fast he's going, but by the fact that he's clearly got his eyes a ways ahead of him I'll give him the benefit of the doubt), but the fact that he's kept his foot on and dropped his knee like a GP rider to get the weight down instead makes this photo! It takes confidence not to have a foot down for an emergency dab, and if you've ever tried it you'll know that you have to lean so much harder to make up for not having the weight of your foot pulling you down, and then you have to worry about counterleaning the bike a bit to stay on the sideknobs! But it seems by the knee pad placement on his Thor pants that his position was no accident. That said, not to take anything away from this guy but I'd really love to see someone just take the GP style all the way to the extreme with their chest on the bars and their knee all the way out! Imagine this picture if the guy was like that, and the corner was just as tight, but 180 instead of 90 (same speed though), and the guy's eyes were pointed right back up in the direction he came from!!!
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Thanks a lot David! 13 years old and possibly the most mature guy here!
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Hahah, that's the first thing I thought too. I love how clean everything looks in this picture though, it's like there's a high end lodge somewhere with holes in the walls 'cause they stole some of the wooden beams to make this platform.
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Right on Madmax412! 'Preciate your maturity!
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But then I couldn't whoop you in an armwrestle, Kyle7. I did recently ride Adam Hauck's Mob, and it felt really good, I did things on it that I've never been able to do before, but in the end I want to be able to do all those things on a bike like this too, so what's that really worth? It didn't make me any better, it just proved once and for all that things are in fact easier on a lighter bike. Who knew! If my only goal was to be able to do the most tricks, I could always just go 24, or 20, or go the whole 9 yards and get a scooter! Think how many tailwhips you could do on one of those! But that's not for me, I'd rather take the Nigel Quarless approach and not say I can do something until I can do it on a 40+lb Morphine, or this. You probably won't win any bunnyhop competitions, or be doing any triple tailwhips, but bikes like this have a good ratio of making you significantly better without holding you back too much.
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How exactly do Mags ruin the bike? 'Cause they're heavy? The bike weighs around 38.5lbs, and even if the weight of the wheels is noticeable it's not like they keep you from doing anything. Seriously, try putting Mags on whatever you're riding now! You'll feel them but you'll notice that doesn't really change anything (except that you might actually get a bit of muscle after a while!). Noticeable doesn't mean significant. As for the tires, they grip well on all kinds of dirt, they don't hold you back on concrete, and best of all they've got decent sidewalls, which is rare on street bikes these days! I don't know who decided that pinch flats were so great, and where I was when they had that vote, but I'm sticking with my tires that have decent sidewalls! And if anything I should raise the price and you know it!
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It's an old '01 Specialized DH bike isn't it? Like the kind Vaszquez used to ride.
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The spandy is necessary for Worlds finals, everyone has to run it. I can't imagine guys like Peaty rocking the skinsuit by choice! You'll see guys like Peaty and Kovaric in baggy jerseys with their national colours in practice (which must have been made specifically for Worlds practice), because they don't want to put on the spandex untill they absolutely have to. It's just for finals that everyone suits up.
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First of all, a bike wheel is 26", or a bit less than 2.5', so even just the vertical in this shot is about 4.5'. Second of all, I just saw this drop yesterday hiking the road up Fromme, and the tranny for that drop is steep, so even crawling off it it's easy to get over 10' of vertical. And the tranny's long, so if you really wanted to go for it you could probably get like 20', but that's probably not too practical because of the g-out at the edge of the road at the bottom, and the fact that you need to be able to stop on the road.
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Bike-person, Peat was first at the time of the crash (Gee was the last one down, after Sam), so you were right the first time. I have to say though, has everyone forgotten September of 2007 already? Greg Minnaar was on his Worlds winning run, then he crashed in the woods, got back on his bike and recovered a 4th place finish WITH THE BROKEN AND DISLOCATED SHOULDER THAT HE ATTAINED DURING THAT CRASH! Seems like everyone's heads are just too far up Sam's ass to realize that that's just far more impressive than what Sam did on Saturday! Granted Sam was on a pace to win by more than Greg probably would have (although looking at Greg's winning margin at Fort Bill last weekend, maybe not that much more), but he still only finished one spot higher overall after the crash than Greg did last year. Plus Sam also cried because he didn't win, which is not the most humble thing to do. I guess he was hoping to be able to beat Vouilloz' record by winning 10 Worlds' in 10 years. Oh well. Okay, now I've said something both true and controversial in a big group of Sam Hill fans on Pinkbike. If you've ever wondered if there's a limit to the negative props you can have on here, I'd say you're about to find out.
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Exactly, and I think slammed seats look rediculous anyway (it's so blatantly put out of the way, it looks even more unwanted than if you didn't even have one), so for me both function and form lean towards having the seat at knee height. I also ride trials, and most trials bikes don't have seats at all (or if they do they're only for sitting on while taking a break, which is all a slammed seat is good for anyway but with a lot more unneccesary bulk), which works great, because seats only add weight and take up valuable space to move around over the bike, and you never need to sit down or pinch the seat riding trials (except maybe for Jeff Lenosky's Disorder III section, with all his tailstall barspins, but that was definitely more street than trials). In my opinion, anything in between is just counterproductive. You get the downsides of both the weight of a saddle and the space that it takes up, and you can't even really use it! I like my street seats at knee height and my trials seats nonexistant, and I can't see why anyone would want it any other way. But for the millionth time, the bike has a quick release seat clamp, so feel free to buy the bike and chop the seat tube down to an inch so it can never be raised again!
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So true. I'm not really in a rush though (especially since it doesn't look like I'll have much money to look forward to), so I might raise the price again in the future.
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They both suck. I hear that even Rockshox team riders refuse to ride Argyles, they just use Pikes with Argyle badges (but I guess they're working out for this guy, 'cause I noticed he switched to Argyles after this. Also, I've had lots of problems with my Pike 454 Air U-Turn as well, including loss of travel on both ends of the adjustment range and had a hole punched in the bottom of one leg by I think a loose rotor bolt), and it looks like this guy's had the same problem as I had with the Gold Label judging by the black stickerless warrantee lowers: split axle clamp? There's not enough good forks out there for DJ/street!
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If the fork is 4" then the head angle would be about 68*, so it is pretty slack.
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"Greg went 125% on that [qualifying] run and everybody else just held a bit back, so he's probably gonna get beat for the final. [...] Let him feel good for the qualifier then just rip on him in the final I reckon" -Peaty
Oh yeah? |
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For one thing, machines are always a she. And I ride her, so she's not a gay bike. Maybe bi though, I know she looks good under a girl in a skirt that's too short to be riding a bike in.
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You're telling me, I never thought I'd have to lower the price from $1500 to move this thing. The fork alone retails for what I'm asking!
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